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Stockholm · Jun 10, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by DarklingKiller

Is that why loads of guru users are making threads like this complaining about various overpowered skills? There use be many many threads about Ursan complaining until the guru mods got pissed. Everyday I see more and more people leaving the game because it gets too repetitive and there's no new content.

@EinherjarMx

Not much how about you? I barely log on anymore so I don't see you on anymore

The small click of GW players that hang out here on GURU is not exactly a very good representation of the Player base. Majority of players are playing the game, not like us here, bitching 90% of the time (yes me included).

And yes the game is getting "old", less and less to do for the "old" timers, but what ever way you look at it we have had a good time for the money we spent on GW.

Nude Nira · Jun 10, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by DarklingKiller

Is that why loads of guru users are making threads like this complaining about various overpowered skills?

>.> Why do people on guru think that the entire gw player base is a member here?

Oh, and I'm pretty sure the same people bitching about the overpowered skills are out there using them, and if they got nerfed, I'm sure they'd bitch about them getting nerfed. I don't see why everyone cares. If it makes me money, I'm happy.

Siadena · Jun 11, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

The other side of the issue that A-Net "might" want to allow (which I don't totally agree) is the opportunity for more "casual" players to get themselves fow armor. Definitely not a motivating factor for allowing endless SF - but a side effect they might think as positive.

Nude Nira · Jun 11, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Siadena

The other side of the issue that A-Net "might" want to allow (which I don't totally agree) is the opportunity for more "casual" players to get themselves fow armor. Definitely not a motivating factor for allowing endless SF - but a side effect they might think as positive.

Perma SF has motivated me to do some UW again...I'm at 80e in just 3 days.

imnotyourmother · Jun 12, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

OK my two cents.

What is the big deal anyway? If you want the price to go up at the trader buy them from the trader. If you want the price to go down at the trader, sell them to the traders. Simple.

On the other hand, you can not sell your account or even sell the gold that you have in your account for real world money. This IS a game? or IS this a game?

If you want money, get a job. If you want more money get a part time job on top of your job.

The idea of the game is a simple way of gathering with like-minded people and having some fun killing stuff.

I can remember when I got my first 100K on a toon. I was so excited I went out and asked a guild member to help me get my sword and shield for the Hall. I did that and then was like OK. I have 10K left now what? It left me empty and bland.

What was the next thing to get? Nothing. I got bored after trying so hard to get 100K.

So I went to presearing to help new people learn skills to actually play the game, like pulling charr with a bow. setting the controls on their pets to not draw agro.

This stuff is free. It is playing the game. If you are obsessed with the game then I think that you might need to take a break. Sit back and think that this is just a game that you used real dollars to buy but you can not sell.

Unless or course you are selling for real dollars and then everything here makes sense.

If you were farming 50e at 5.5 for 270K in resale and you can get 40 bucks real money for a night tax free then I can see how that would effect your bottom line on the economy.

Just because somethings will get you banned from the game does not mean that people will not risk the chance to do it. IF that is the case then a drop in as little as 500 gold could really put a damper on the real bottom line of real money.

Leads one to wonder why people need 10 stacks of ectos. I also realize that for some people 10 stacks is like nothing.

Oh the math sorry.
10 stacks at 5.5 is 13,750,000 gold
10 stacks at 4.7 is 11,750,000 gold
this as a difference of 2,000,000 gold or 20 bucks real money.

Now that is something to complain about.

Jongo River · Jun 12, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

I'm so frustrated right now... a couple of months ago I re-rolled my sin and started trying for Survivor (again) - 777K XP and counting. I've even resorted to pricey lightbringer scrolls... it's gonna hurt if this gets nerfed before I get a chance to earn anything back.

Nightow · Jun 12, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Hmm, this is going off topic I think...

Anyways, I'll just say that at first it was easy to sell 20 ecto for 100k but now a lot of the traders I run into will only buy [email protected] or roughly 4550g each.

Dante the Warlord · Jun 12, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

seems it starting massive ppl selling ectos for z-keys ANET needs to stop this now... I have 73 ectos and i don;t want them to be worthless... @trader they are worth 4.8k... Nvm 5.5k again, guess they are still stable, but i have started converting selling 1 ecto per 3 shards

Stockholm · Jun 12, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

seems it starting massive ppl selling ectos for z-keys ANET needs to stop this now... I have 73 ectos and i don;t want them to be worthless... @trader they are worth 4.8k... Nvm 5.5k again, guess they are still stable, but i have started converting selling 1 ecto per 3 shards

Don't try the real life commodity market, there is no safety lines at all.
There is nothing to worry about, you wait and see what happens if the "Uber Super rich" starts selling to trader, ectos will go for 100g then.
The market will absorb the "new" ectos, people still use them for armour and "gloves" or horde them for buying "minis" with.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jun 12, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by DarklingKiller

Is that why loads of guru users are making threads like this complaining about various overpowered skills? There use be many many threads about Ursan complaining until the guru mods got pissed. Everyday I see more and more people leaving the game because it gets too repetitive and there's no new content.

@EinherjarMx

Not much how about you? I barely log on anymore so I don't see you on anymore

You need to wake up and realize guru isn't even 25% of the gw community. We are indeed the minority that he was speaking of.

Snow Bunny · Jun 12, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

You know, as I cliked on the "Last Page" link of this thread, something occured to me.

Saying that the SF update will destroy the GW economy is like saying that giving consumers more purchasing power will destroy the economy.

It's just silly.

Narcissia · Jun 13, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

i think this thread has pretty much been proven wrong by now.
a few weeks since this update and ecto is still at the same price. sooo the OP and anyone who thinks that it will ruin the economy or ecto prices /fails.

*rolls around in the stacks of ecto ive farmed*

Silly Warrior · Jun 13, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

It's just silly.

It really is just silly.

Trinity Fire Angel · Jun 13, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

boo hoo... i feel sorry for all those people who bought ele swords for 100k + 60e and now can;t even sell them for 20k becauase of da raptors. LOOOL. things change mate, deal with it. there are always Icy Dragon Swords that still go for like 15-25k a peice. You can normally get like 1-3 per half hour. better than 5 ectos in half hour... well. same really and IDS's sell like mad.

btw. they won;t nerf SF for PVE. it was originally nerfed for PVP and they just fixed it again... hey, look. they just put Mystic Regen back to normal again. woot. more Earth Farming eles now destroying the economy....

Ate of DK · Jun 13, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

After you finished the storymode you can grind titles and farm gold. That's all there is. They won't destroy something which keeps people busy till they bring you GW2. Fixing Mystic Regeneration for PvE a coincidence?

joshuarodger · Jun 13, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

OK my two cents.

What is the big deal anyway?

and a lot of other stuff

the big deal is that some of us spent a lot of our time playing our asses off to get those stacks of ectos and armbraces and whatever else. now that we have them, they aren't worth as much. you can see the change in the economy minute-to-minute, as ecto prices fluctuate. before the SF update, they did not move nearly as much as they do now. GW, being an MMORPG, does have an economy, such as it is, and certain changes in the game do hurt it.

for me, it's not so much about e-peen as it is about accomplishment. i spent a lot of time to get where i am and feel as though it wasn't worth it to put that much time into it now. i still enjoy the game immensely and feel there is still plenty to do and accomplish. this one, single skill, however, has diminished the sense of satisfaction i had with one of my accomplishments.

but, eh, learn to live with it and move on. maybe i'm just sounding silly though. ;P

Ate of DK · Jun 13, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

i still enjoy the game immensely and feel there is still plenty to do and accomplish. this one, single skill, however, has diminished the sense of satisfaction i had with one of my accomplishments.

I've had that feeling so many times. One of the biggest irritations is still Ursan Blessing. I don't think there is something wrong with "Shadow Form farming" but they could at least ask a bit more "skill" from the players.

evenfall · Jun 13, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Ecto prices hasn't been really affected because very few people buy and sell ectos from the trader.
The same can't be said for obsidian shards though, they are 1.9k at trader now. One week ago it was 1.2k (and was hovering around ~1.1k-1.3k for a very long time iirc).

strcpy · Jun 13, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

the big deal is that some of us spent a lot of our time playing our asses off to get those stacks of ectos and armbraces and whatever else. now that we have them, they aren't worth as much. you can see the change in the economy minute-to-minute, as ecto prices fluctuate. before the SF update, they did not move nearly as much as they do now. GW, being an MMORPG, does have an economy, such as it is, and certain changes in the game do hurt it.

In GW, and from what has been said about GW2, you will never be happy. Your idea of a "good economy" is one where you have the haves and have nots. Anet's idea is that everyone is a have. Dropping prices on ecto. dropping prices on armbraces, allowing people to clear DoA, and all this other stuff is exactly what they were trying to achieve. Complaining that they did so isn't going to get things changed. It happens to be my idea of a good economy too (as someone else above me said I find it a good economy when everyone has a high degree of purchasing power).

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for me, it's not so much about e-peen as it is about accomplishment. i spent a lot of time to get where i am and feel as though it wasn't worth it to put that much time into it now.

Of course it's about e-peen - no one has taken any accomplishment away at all. The *only* thing you are complaining about is that now others have your shiney too and that is purely vanity (or e-peen if you prefer). That any that wants to do so can make it to rank 8 LB now doesn't diminish the accomplishment of those that got rank 6 before hard mode. I have a certain amount of pride in beating prophecies with hench even though now everyone knows you can do it and there are tons of strategies out there to use - back when I did it it was considered near impossible. Again, there is nothing in terms of my accomplishment taken away because now I'm not the only one out there that did it. The only thing is that no one cares about my screenshots or pays attention to having LB at rank 8.

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i still enjoy the game immensely and feel there is still plenty to do and accomplish. this one, single skill, however, has diminished the sense of satisfaction i had with one of my accomplishments.

I understand that - I like my shiny things too. I liked the few things I had gotten that few others have had. However I will readily admit it is vanity (or whatever term you want to use) and can't say I expected it to last long. FOr one thing I realized that I found it more advantageous to be able to do pretty much everything instead of only having those small areas. That is there are more cases where I had loads of fun doing something I could not have done if people had their way about keeping things "hard" than I would have had if the system was more protectionist. My bet is that if you sit back and look at all your characters and all you time you will find that on balance you took advantage of the system more often than you were screwed.

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but, eh, learn to live with it and move on. maybe i'm just sounding silly though. ;P

No, there is a large group of people who want their own shiny that no one else has - many MMO's are centered around that. But then again most of them have a much smaller population and only live because they have monthly fees. GW is really the only one that goes this far, WoW kinda walks the line and has been moving towards a more GW like system of casual players (they realized there are WAY more casual players than hard core).

Chthon · Jun 13, 2008, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

the big deal is that some of us spent a lot of our time playing our asses off to get those stacks of ectos and armbraces and whatever else. now that we have them, they aren't worth as much. you can see the change in the economy minute-to-minute, as ecto prices fluctuate. before the SF update, they did not move nearly as much as they do now. GW, being an MMORPG, does have an economy, such as it is, and certain changes in the game do hurt it.

You are mistaking something that hurts you for something that hurts the game economy.

You should take this post to heart:

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Originally Posted by strcpy

In GW, and from what has been said about GW2, you will never be happy. Your idea of a "good economy" is one where you have the haves and have nots. Anet's idea is that everyone is a have. Dropping prices on ecto. dropping prices on armbraces, allowing people to clear DoA, and all this other stuff is exactly what they were trying to achieve. Complaining that they did so isn't going to get things changed. It happens to be my idea of a good economy too (as someone else above me said I find it a good economy when everyone has a high degree of purchasing power).